tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post4328355288489553358..comments2024-02-10T21:11:00.659-08:00Comments on Early Sports and Pop Culture History Blog: Ben Franklin, The Three Stooges, and Ancient Rites of Printers - the Inky History of Ba-Be-Bi-Bo-BuPeter Jensen Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00042588192094310236noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-45351914179675947362023-08-07T09:11:44.212-07:002023-08-07T09:11:44.212-07:00I stumbled on this while researching Septimus Winn...I stumbled on this while researching Septimus Winner, who is interred at Laurel Hill West Cemetery in Bala Cynwyd, PA, where I am a volunteer tour guide and volunteer podcaster (All Bones Considered: Laurel Hill Stories and Biographical Bytes from Bala: Laurel Hill West Stories). <br /><br />This is Laurel Hill's second "Stooge" connection, as Laurel Hill East has Robert Foerderer, the maker of "Vici Kid" leather, which is a name dropped by Curly in "Disorder in the Court". <br /><br />No, Ben Franklin is not here, although we have several of his grandchildren. Ben is at Christ Chruch Burial ground a few miles away in Center CityJoe Lexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836298910702389319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-26253380952239416402017-02-23T12:04:45.918-08:002017-02-23T12:04:45.918-08:00"Forbidden Zone" - Alphabet Song. https:..."Forbidden Zone" - Alphabet Song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul0Zs3GjcH4<br />Peter Jensen Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00042588192094310236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-5403541364697863592017-02-23T10:57:38.932-08:002017-02-23T10:57:38.932-08:00Thank you for the supplemental information. I hop...Thank you for the supplemental information. I hope you will share if you find anything else relevant to this subject. "Curley's a Dope."Peter Jensen Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00042588192094310236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-46357283381714657242017-02-02T15:24:33.621-08:002017-02-02T15:24:33.621-08:00Ah — the places following information takes you: I...Ah — the places following information takes you: I would never have thought I'd end up with the Three Stooges! This "ba be bi bo bu" is a really old thing. It was used in France, Spain and Portugal; there are 19th-century school books from France that teach it, a Portuguese grammar of Tamil from 1548 shows the counterpart used in India saying this was how "their ba be bi bo bu" works, and a 1593 catechism from the Philippines (one of the first two books printed there and the first in the local Tagalog language) starts off in its Spanish part with "ba be bi bo bu" exercises for all the letters of the alphabet plus ones ending in -n and with tildes over the vowels (bã etc.) before going on to the old Indian-derived Tagalog "alphabet" ("el a b c en lengua tagala"). <br /><br />Not just this, but it goes back to the days of the Romans and ancient Greeks: there is an old potsherd inscription where a student was writing out the Greek equivalent and at one point wrote an eta by mistake and corrected it to an epsilon. <br /><br />I've been following this information up because I was curious about where the Spanish and Portuguese "ba be bi bo bu" came from when I saw them in these old books; I'm actually in the middle of writing a paper for a collective volume on learning to read and write in Indian scripts; the "classic" way of teaching arranges the letters systematically in a grid by the features of their sounds and teaches syllable combinations with something similar to the "ba be bi bo bu", except that combining vowels are written as something akin to accents on consonant letters rather than with independent letters. They call this "barakhadi" (twelve syllables) in Hindi and several other languages or "ka-gunita" (multiplication of ka) in Kannada, a language of the southwest.<br /><br />All of which is really different from the "alphabets" of the Philippines and parts of Indonesia, where they combined several or all the vowel sign "accents" on a consonant letter and read out the combinations in turn...<br /><br />Thanks for the interesting blog post! kiwehtinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17308615465960261799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-401255560948194862016-12-22T16:46:25.647-08:002016-12-22T16:46:25.647-08:00I first heard this song not in the Stooges short, ...I first heard this song not in the Stooges short, but in the brutally underloved Richard Elfman film "Forbidden Zone". Dr Rotwanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16750632906878388570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2339541743624368462.post-19348837867163532912016-08-30T19:34:59.035-07:002016-08-30T19:34:59.035-07:00Thank you for this--this was cool!Thank you for this--this was cool!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17788186465531427552noreply@blogger.com